Why the pessimism? which many people hold as dear as religion and political beliefs. You should see some of the other ixtian blogs. @ Bridget: When we say, during the inevitable discussion of Gods sovereignty with a traumatized person, that even wrongs are ordained because God ordains all, we cause existential damage. @ Muff Potter: And the reason I identify that way is not because I want to convert people, but because I just didnt like all the hatred spewed out at the belief system. Could the person have simply avoided it and gone to someplace else without even making the comment? Good point. CALVIN! If the plumb line for perfection is NO yeast, then of what relevance is the statement: The bread is not as yeast-y as it could be. I think it means that God is aware of every molecule (which He created, of course), and that none of them escapes His will. @ Arce: Remember, Calvinism is merely the invoking of associative meaning, not real meaning. Hmm Apostles and Nicene, indeedy-do. We will briefly survey these five points of disagreement and . http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Head-of-Southern-Baptist-school-marks-20-years-4780941.php. 3) The reason for a woman to study scripture is to better serve her husband, father, children. If I were there when a Calvinist or any other professing believer (or atheist or whatever) told someone who was suffering or grieving something that was sure to make the person feel worse, I can practically guarantee that I would shut that person up and have words with him/her. The farther away from direct, clear scripture I get, the more loosely I hold to ideas. I cant explain it, but the very thought of it is a testimony to His love for us ALL. is far removed from anything I, or any other Calvinist I know, believes. . As for my content, I think the Nicene Creed covers a lot of it. (an extremely brief synopsis:) Can God repair things? Hence the terrible attitude of many evangelicals towards science. And its a big enough issue that RC Sproul re-badges it to Radical Corruption. Anyway, just a plug for the traditional anabaptists if someone is looking for an evangelical experience that is not Calvinist or pastor-ruled (you have to check each Mennonite church out, some can be very old-school with head coverings, but the modern ones arent at all). It was written by. I dont think that is what TWW is for, and if it were then I wouldnt be here. Aslan completely domesticated and caged within those 2400 pages of Perfect Doctrine and Parsed Theology? Hes already won me to his side. I had no reason not to believe. Theology - Roger Olson, Jack Cottrell (restorationist inerrantist), Thomas Oden, Ergun Caner, Paige Patterson, Michael Brown Also, anything written by Satan Notthemama1984 Puritan Board Post-Graduate Nov 12, 2010 #7 I personally have no respect for Geisler. As for the double predestination, I wouldnt agree with either position youve posted but that is no surprise, as Im a non Calvinist. I have come to understand that my experience in some great non-Calvinist churches is not the norm. Chezaro 6 yr. ago. Need I say that an airtight perfect system spanning 2400+ pages and written by a young lawyer smacks of know-it-all with a bit of OCD? Earthquakes, tsunamis, category five tornadoes, decrepitude and death are all beyond our pay-grades to decide upon, much less get resolution from. if man does NOT get to decided the level of his depravity (by knowing good from evil and choosing it) then God must decide FOR himwhich means, again, that not being as bad as you could be is irrelevant. Dark times. Can they wrestle with it on their own? Agree. Change). And I *know* that I sounded every bit as naive as those kids in the article. Were doing well so We must be Righteous is Prosperity Gospel crap. This is an absolutely beautiful statement! In spite of the fact that Sproul and Piper have said such things, i still consider them Christians. The person who said this will one day stand before God and have to explain why hepronouncedyou, a child of God who is now standing withthe throngs of heaven with a crown on your head, a non-Christian. I am sorry that you feel this way, because it does sound like you just want an open field assault on Calvinism and for Calvinists to hold their tongue. There are definitely some clearly Calvinist ideas that I disagree with. Instead we have to accept that we don't understand their paradigm and choose to believe that they love God and believe that they are faithfully serving Him. But Jesus and he should know praised his Father for hiding these things from the wise and learned, revealing them instead to little weans. I think the scripture uses the language of both perspectives, so it is not a view without merit. Good to be reminded we are not at war with fellow believers and its never wrong to be kind. I get called an Arminian routinelyLOL, I dont even know anything about Arminianism. Recently, I had a Calvinist who knowns me say that i was not a Christian by very fact that I write this blog and call out some of the people that he admires. System- & neat-little-box-free. Only a source of proof-texts for Calvins Institutes. This is the place where all the puzzle pieces do not fit for me, and I am OK with that. For some time now, my blog posts have pursued an inquiry of how non-Calvinists and Calvinists among Southern Baptists have come to be involved in a public conversation on their respective positions. Or to say it differently, I loosely hold to the idea that God is in control of every molecule. This is as it should be, imo. And in their zeal, they often miss obvious signs that are bringing the hurt person even deeper into pain. Ill have to look that one up. (Sorry, elastigirl, but you were so honest about the kind of God we all want that I have to use your example.) It helped me to understand that both sides of this argument believe that their point of view is logical. When two sides have good arguments, it leads me to believe that there is a third or different way that encompasses both. And what is an ocean but a multitude of single drops? Yes, I believe that what were on earth mainly to do is bring glory to God How do you know that this, in fact, is what the Bible did and is not what God IS like? Each Christmas, I am thankful that God works in mysterious ways. They are charitable and give us the benefit of the doubt. It needs to be dealt with directly and honestly, a complicated complex mature topic. Why is Guidepost Solutions now involved? If the person makes the comment because he/she believes its important that others should know that there are people who can be hurt by that conversation in real life, how should that affect the online discussion? And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said to him, You are right, Teacher. I have no problem with thatno one likes to be labeled. Would really like to read Against Calvinism, as Im still sorting through the havoc that Calvinism caused in my own spiritual life (or, at least, the version of it I latched on to). Many of us come from heavy Calvinist backgrounds, have studied the confessions and the institutes, and can find no basis for a distinction between Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism. I dont know if that helps or confuses- I wish I could have quoted more. When I look at myself, I think of my own salvation from a TULIP perspective. I cant make it all fit so I go with what I honestly believe and hold loosely to the conclusions. Study some good books that present the non-Calvinist point of view. As you know, it was not written by Calvin. If the Bible is Gods Word, and we are capable of understanding it, where else can we go to answer the deeper questions except to ourselves? 3:1-2) is saying that their are parts of the Word that are more elementary than others, not that those parts are any less important. JeffB Great question and Im glad you asked. He was the leading French Protestant reformer and the most important figure in the second generation of the Protestant Reformation. For my part, I honestly dont understand a need to defend Calvinism, or Luther, or the RCC, or Baptists, etc., etc. God doesnt have internal conflicts, though sometimes the Bible portrays it this way to make a point.. I dont find that these scenarios were what Jesus intended. This may sound like its contradictory, but I dont think it is. I let the philosophers consider those questions. So if you say oh yes, bringing God glory is the sole reason for mankind without ever pushing back like you did, elastigirl, their tacit assumption is that you have just conceded the soundness of their doctrine. Wasnt that we didnt know we had differences but we were Christians who were in it together. Thanks for the clarification. The non Christian world will know there is a God by our love for other Christians. The promises are over the top. I think the way to achieve this is to leave Calvin/theology out entirely and instead actively love/listen/show compassion. External Leaders When members begin to question the fidelity of their pastor's teaching, they rarely (regrettably) go to their pastor. But the main thing is that Ive been a Calvinist for a long time- probably 15 years. Here is a quick bio on Olson from Wikipedia. At the end of the class, he was VERY sure where he stood- a non-Calvinist. It means you are thinking for yourself and we encourage you to continue to be the loyal opposition. That is what Jesus spoke against over and over in his short life. Witherington and Lenski are not Calvinists, but they're not Arminians, either. There is a reason there has been a debate for centuries. That should be enough to cause himto squirm. whose beliefs have little to do with either Calvin or Arminius. He "knew" that only the infants of covenantal believers go to heaven. I dont want to convince anyone of a certain brand of Christianity. 14 William Lane Craig Shares words of wisdom & advice with you. In fact, as Sproul describes what he sees as the sovereignty if God, his view is the latter- that God exercises his sovereignty by choosing what he allows and what he does not. 1. And any idea that causes people existential damage is wrong. I want you to try to make the distinction between disagreeing strongly with what you say and believe, and disagreeing strongly with YOU. Look for them. I dont know. I know the WCF does not say it. But those of us who are labeled as misconstrue-ers of Calvinism are simply pointing out the logical flaws in their arguments. So how does it work that God is in control of every molecule without circumventing the free will of man? Yet, somewhere after the third paragraph, this young, rudderless teen stopped reading, glanced over at Star Trek on the television, began to cry, whispered, I believe and crossed that final frontier from unbelief into belief. However, their first names do arouse my suspicions. @ JeffB: I even like some mean Calvinists. But to have to constantly think, Must remember its for Gods glory is sheer legalism and bondage. I would say its better to address individual issues anyway rather than decided if you can accept the tag. One reason is because I have gone through periods where I questioned Gods goodness because of certain events in my life and in those of others. 3680 / C (Canadian Dollars) Wilfred Laurier University (Waterloo Lutheran Seminary) Lutheran. But for the most part, until I started studying apologetics, I didnt really care about the supposed differences and still dont except to understand but not as a means of division. I would be some place where I could state my beliefs openly. What DOES bother me is when people reject something on the basis of misinformation. Im not doubting what you say, but PLEASE (and this goes for everyone) try to document this type of thing. Recently, I had a Calvinist who knowns me say that i was not a Christian by very fact that I write this blog and call out some of the people that he admires. Oy. As far as truth is concerned, I believe that it reflects what the Bible says is the result of Adams sin. I will say they are much more composed personalities. Argo. Hes describing man, not God. They simply describe the regular, normal way in which God manages or governs his universe. God doesnt have internal conflicts, though sometimes the Bible portrays it this way to make a point. Green 27. But I doand I understand where Jeff S is coming from here. Ah, I didnt catch that. Although I had been churched, I had rarely opened my Bible. I witnessed a weird detachment with this thinking, and people almost having to downplay love or relationship with others. I witnessed a weird detachment with this thinking, and people almost having to downplay love or relationship with others.. There were many songs that resonated with me, especially I Dont Know How to Love Him. for me that meant there was much i had to learn about loving Jesus. That is what Jesus spoke against over and over in his short life.. We have to balance very carefully allowing some women to blow off steam vs being vitriolic in their hatred of all things male. Let me backtrack. TULIP stands for total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible . It comes from theexperience of writing a blog for a long time and hearing the same old, same old. As Ive said on older threads, back when I was considering becoming a Calvinist and began lurking at their forums and perusing their sites, and I began e mailing them asking them if they could explain Calvinism for me and clear up some confusion I had, this happened a lot. I think that our doctrinal systems are mans attempt to understand based on what God has presented to us. But something has changed in the last number of years. How to Resign from a Church Please feel free to cut and paste comments to which you are responding over at that other post. If the person makes the comment because he/she believes its important that others should know that there are people who can be hurt by that conversation in real life, how should that affect the online discussion? When I first discovered Reformed theology, I was a student at Dallas Theological Seminary. CALVIN!, The Bible? Tell himyou love himanyway. Is proud of you. Olson coined the label "Pannenberg's Principle" forWolfhart Pannenberg's argument (1969) that God's deity is his rule "The divinity of God and the reign of God in the world are inseparable."[6]. The way total depravity was explained to me (via a G. I. Williamson commentary on one of the Westminster Catechisms, cant remember if it was longer or shorter) was with the example of a glass of water. And, for that matter, why is his style so difficult? Bummer. 1550-1616), who was not. There wasnt so much in your face going on. Actually Ive always thought of the hyper crowd in any area as the ones who want to get in your face and tell everyone how if they are not with them they are against them. Im not saying you or TWW do that, but I have felt in the past that I was really not allowed to be a Calvinist in some commenters minds. Calvinism did not start with John Calvin. Why didnt he write a short book on a more important subject, like Robert Burtons The Anatomy Of Melancholy, written after Calvins death? @ Daisy: Online discussions of religion and politics usually end by going up in flames, with a lot of nastiness to boot. Mohler says the seminarys current prosperity is a sign of Gods blessing on an institution that rejected liberal trends in society and returned to more conservative social ideas. Since I have never read Instititues, I cant be more specific. I dont know that any of the venues get one closer to God than the others. That is a love that does not send babies or the mentally unable to hell, nor is it a love that creates people predestined to hell, but rather gives them a choice and only when repeatedly rejected, judges people for their rejection of him. I hope that alone will entice some to read it. Some of his hearers might have been scared as, uh, heck. This is also (imo) true for many, many people. It's not mine. Open Discussion Page, 1 Corinthians 2:6-3:4Psalm 28:1-9Proverbs 20:24-25. I dont see you behaving as a bully. Calvinism may be cool right now, but it doesnt reflect the God I have known and loved for over 40 years. Ravi Zacharias 26. Might we call what youre describing love? However, Jesus entered our dimension and exists now outside of our dimension. God ordains everything and man has a degree of free will how can these both be true? B. Warfield said, "The Calvinist, in a word, is the man who sees God. Jeff as the saying goes: may all your tribes increase. Or if I make it to the Board of Ordained Ministry in February, Ill share my recording. 96:3; John 17:1 ). My bet would be that some (many?) It wasnt until they tried to recruit me to take an $85.00 course to learn to speak in tongues that I actually started studying my Bible. In spite of the current emphasis on Neo-Calvinism, it is still a minority position. Admittedly, Im not famous enough to have followers trying to define Bulbeckism. *If we disagree, let us disagree on what we see in Scripture, not on our own sense of right and wrong. Dee, your post brought back child hood memories of Boston. I think this post was a great step toward making those folks feel more welcome. Thats what I think the intention of this blog post was. B. I got a taste of this by spending a couple of years in Ed Young Jr.'s church. Never once, have I ever thought that these folks were not saved. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. . A person can be a conservative Christian without being Reformed or believing in Calvinism. Someone should alert Crossway immediately. I know of Hortons book and I shall read that after I finish Olson. And when I talk of Calvinism, Im not talking about the way he viewed the authority of the church. . A Adam Clarke Adam Harwood Adrian Rogers A W Tozer B Balthasar Hubmaier Ben Witherington III Brian Abasciano C Charles Finney Charles Swindoll Chuck Smith Clark Pinnock C S Lewis Craig Evans Craig Keener D Daniel Steele Daniel Whedon Daniel Whitby Dave Hunt David Allen David Arthur DeSilva David Bentley Hart David Pawson Dwight L Moody E F
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list of non calvinist theologians
list of non calvinist theologians
